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A few days ago we had a chat to discuss community issues and solutions (see the original journal for details). Huge thanks to everyone who came and raised awesome points!

It took 45 minutes for the volume of talk to max out Sta.sh Writer's character limit and this chat went for two more hours, so I'm just going to summarize the key discussion points, starting with big actionables for CRLiterature and for the community.

I've put the chat stuff lower down as it's denser: the outside bullet is the issue, and the inside bullet is possible solutions (not necessarily in order, each point is really a response to the original issue). There is a lot to think about in there, but feel free to pick and choose the issues you care most about. :)

Sorry for leaving a lot of stuff out, but I hope you guys are too busy figuring out how best to act on what we discussed to pay too much attention to that. Also, feel free to re-raise issues in the comments here! And check out :star:s for potential solutions.


CRLiterature

  • More educational opportunities—publishing, writing for fun, writing as a career, etc. (We do have a Project Educate week on Story Planning coming up, so stay tuned!) Basically something inclusive that doesn't end up centered on one group or another. Don't just educate about writing, educate about interacting with the community. And, while we're at it, more critique chats!
  • Better support for new writers—Expose-Lit is out there, but as the 'official' literature hub we should have more of that going on.
  • Better explanation of what you can do as a member of the group. In addition to posting your news, we can also help you host a chat event or offer contest prizes/judging. People haven't really taken advantage of this, though. You don't have to be an admin to contribute!

Community

  • PROMOTE CRLiterature! If you have friends who are interested in the literature community, please get them to watch CRLiterature; if you run a literature group, please consider affiliating (after reading our guidelines on the home page) and link your members to communitywide blogs like this one—and post your news. We had about 30 people attend the chat, and that was great, but it would have been even better to see more new faces.
  • Going with the above, favorite/comment when news articles (e.g. FotoFriday :eyes:) are posted and share them in your journal or your chat. Both are needed to get these to the footer for maximum visibility. Also, participate in contests and prompts when they happen! We know it's not easy to think of something all the time, but if there isn't return on an activity, there's no reason to keep doing it.
  • Be proactive. Do you have an idea for an event you'd like to see? Don't expect someone else to think of it—it's your baby. Note the group if you need help organizing it or if you just need a place to do it.

Chat Discussion

  • MagicalJoey: How does one go about offering support to those newer/younger poets whose only support structure is their little friend who thinks that all their work is great?

    • PinkyMcCoversong: I like to use the sandwich method. The bread is something nice, or a compliment -- you have a layer of bread at the top and bottom of your critique. In the middle you have meat and veggies, the really important stuff that might be hard to take, and then you cushion it with more bread.
    • LadyBrookeCelebwen: I tend to go read the person's profile page first. If they're nice and polite to other people, I'm more willing to try than if their first comment on the page is about how mean so and so was and that they need to go off and die. And I agree with PinkyMcCoversong, if they're not here to improve, I'm not going to force critique on them.
    • Lucy-Merriman: I think tempering encouragement with critique and, most importantly, examples of good writing. A young writer needs to develop their taste.
    • BeccaJS: There was talk of someone trying to revive the Adopt-A-Writer programme, which could help. (:star: you can try noting nycterent if you're interested in taking over this group!)
    • aealla: I think this is more related to the individual than to the literature community, so to say.... I believe if a person is on dA writing and wants to hear a truthful opinion, he or she will know where to go.
    • SilverInkblot: I've adopted a policy of not giving critique unless asked, or unless given to writers that are well established in the community/ that I know won't bitch (too much :P)
    • PinkyMcCoversong: I think that if we focus on the people who give us crap for helping them, we're not using our time wisely at all. And it widely discounts the kids who ARE being receptive to feedback.
  • DailyBreadCafe: I'm sorta concerned about the interaction between writers on dA because I just find it difficult to get much of a response from people...even when I try to just start up some kind of conversation with people it just fizzles out because most people don't seem to care about anything that isn't themselves or their writing :(

    • PinkyMcCoversong: I know that I take longer to respond to intensive critiques, and a lot of the time I stew in them and then just say thank you, this well be helpful in my revision. I find that defending my choices as a writer is usually unhelpful, you know?
    • futilitarian: I also think that it's part of the dA thing. I've always always had to give a lot more than I get, comment wise.
    • K47454k1: Personally I try not to respond heavily to critique as a matter of grace. It's too easy to get into the pitfalls of interaction where it's easier to just read the thing say thank you offer to return the favor and let the feedback percolate.
    • :devjamberrysong:: I feel like there always needs to be a lot of questions on both sides for a critique to be really engaging. If a person comes in and pounds the writer with just their impressions but doesn't ask any questions, they might not be answering the questions the writer needs to be asking.
    • Nichrysalis: The source of this problem is about how active the readers are and how willing they are to be engaged in someone else's work, which lately, people are waiting for the work to come to them in the form of their message centers, features, DD's and things of the sort. I feel that as useful as the message center is to everybody, it makes them hide behind it as well.
    • BrokenTales: Is there some consensus that long critiques might be overwhelming to the author? ((Answers: leaning yes.)
    • futilitarian: If I'm planning a total overhaul and someone's nitpicking details, it's annoying. If the critique is pitched at the right level for where I'm at with the piece then it's awesome.
    • Tense: I think long critiques do in more time what a live discussion could do in muchhh less :/ (:star: Want to hold a critique chat? See above for how to do that!). I think as well critiquers want to know their efforts are appreciated, and I think it can be hard to express that as a receiver.
    • BeccaJS: A lot of chat regulars are quite happy to have impromptu crit sessions too, as long as the person asking is willing to give a bit too.
    • :star: I'm planning to do a guide on turning critique into a dialogue (from both sides). Thoughts welcome, and remember that we invite news submissions!


  • Lucy-Merriman: Alright, basically, I'm concerned about a few of the lit groups--particularly #adopt-a-writer and #Writers-Workshop, because they both used to be really standout groups, and now they're kinda limping along like a half-dead lizard. Should we attempt to revitalize these groups, or have people just moved on to other groups?

    • futilitarian: I think there's got to be an impetus on us all to note the admins of those groups and offer to help out, though.
    • neurotype: I think admins also need to be better about backup, there's this attitude of 'this is my baby' which makes it really hard for others to assist.
    • LadyBrookeCelebwen: Real life is a huge problem. And part of me says that in the long run, it's hard to keep things alive.
    • :star: IrrevocableFate's Love dA Lit series lists groups that need help, and you can crosspost journals to CRLiterature!
    • :star: Also think about what you're doing with your group: Lucy-Merriman mentions House-of-Playwrights as a great genre-specific group; other prompt-specific ones like ScreamPrompts have had a lot of success, too. If you're only using groups for exposure, don't expect a lot of return.
    • EclecticQuill: If an experienced writer founds a group with a good team of admins, then they wouldn't need to devote massive amounts of time to it.


  • Tense: People complain about fragmentation in the community, but I think it's something that should be embraced. It's pretty obvious that people throughout the community want different things from their experience of the site, so in my opinion the goal should be to help likeminded people find each other rather than to try and make changes to attitudes on any large scale.

    • neurotype: This has been a theme a few times: casual vs serious writers. The serious writers need to not assume everyone wants the sharp stick of critique jammed up their arse, and the casual writers need to not expect the serious writers to tone it all down. (casual like 'oh I just write to get my thoughts out' - closer to journaling - serious like really cares about the craft)
    • BeccaJS: That's kind of what we want out of CRLiterature—it is supposed to be a "see what's out there in lit for you" and hopefully the appeal reaches to different people—which is why we want to really encourage groups and individuals to CROSS POST THEIR JOURNALS :star:
    • LadyBrookeCelebwen: How do you get a sense of unity and common ground for everyone though? Not everyone is coming to lit for the same reason, and quite frankly, it'd be like expecting everyone in any other group to have a sense of unity.
    • futilitarian: If everyone in this room participated in one awesome lit group and entered one contest a month and posted one awesome forum thread a month and suggested one DD a month, the lit community would be in pretty good shape, imo. I think those things are ways of promoting the community and getting it visible and out there as much as about fostering a sense of community. (:star: BeccaJS and I are pretty dry on notes. Seriously, I get 5-10 a week maximum.)
    • PinkyMcCoversong I'd like to see fewer contests and more challenges/prompts.
    • BeccaJS: I am a little hesistant about using contests to "entice" the community into doing things. At the time they work well but as soon as they are over, the incentive is gone and everything goes back to white noise.
    • BrokenTales: contests with critiques as prizes have a little more potential, but only if the winner is of the kind to engage with the critiquer.
    • Tense: I kind of think making use of the chat is key.
    • toxic-nebulae: If you've just started out and aren't sure whom to watch, I'd suggest looking at the galleries/watch lists of anyone who comments on your pieces, or watches you, since chances are they have the same type of thing.

  • PinkyMcCoversong: I focus a lot of my energy on providing information and resources for writers interested in publishing. I'm wanting to know if this is helpful to the larger community, and whether we need more, and if people in general know where to find this kind of information on site.

    • neurotype: Beccalicious mentioned this earlier, why don't we make a bigger deal about good advice? :P
    • EclecticQuill: The problem is, that 99.9999% of the time, the message stops with you...because those that hear it don't pass it on.
    • BeccaJS: Why aren't people faving, commenting and spreading the word on good articles anymore? We spend a lot of time planning things like our PE weeks and then when an article has spent a long time being put together, its sad to see it garner 5 favs and 1 comment. :star: +FAV/COMMENT PLEASE.
    • HaveTales-WillTell All we can do is encourage our friends to pass stuff on. If a few do, it keeps going: like a nuclear reaction that just won't catch, but doesn't quite fizzle out either.  :nerd:
    • (General consensus: For those of us who are interested in publishing, being able to find accurate resources easily would be great. Here's a good starting point. Also, SadisticIceCream, apocathary, Lit-Source.)
    • doughboycafe: A hub would be great, or, of there already is one (I kind of feel like Love dA Literature is great for that). But also a realistic couple of articles about publishing. I agree with a lot of comments that publishing is great, but also writing because you like it is great. Perhaps it would be good to discuss the fact that publishing isn't the end all be all, but a great goal if you want to pursue it...and then...how to be ready to publish. Because I also feel like besides knowing how to find good places to sell yourself, there are a lot of steps that lead up to even being ready to submit.


  • LadyBrookeCelebwen: I wonder if in our quest to fix dA Lit, we're running off a lot of people. It's fine that a lot of us want critiques and detailed comments but I'm not sure that openly complaining about comments that are just "I love this", for example, is the best way to go about it. I know that we want to fix things, but I worry about driving off people that don't want to hardcore invest in it.

    • futilitarian: I don't think that's the aim and I don't see how it will be the effect of making the lit community tighter.
    • neurotype: I think the issue is that people want more critique, but it gets phrased as 'I don't like what I'm getting now' sometimes.
    • SilverInkblot: I don't think the complaint there is about casual commentary—the complaint is about the lack of anything aside from casual commentary.
    • Tense: I think we should encourage people to be more communicative about what they want in general.
    • doughboycafe: I think it's pretty natural to want just a sentence or two about *why* someone liked something, even if it's a comment on visual art. But it's not as though a three word comment should be discarded. Still it seemed to me like the problem was that lit community members wanted more of an effort from other lit community members. It's really easy to tell people what you want. You can just put it in the artist's comment and ask if certain things are working or not working.
    • Nichrysalis: Maybe the problem lies with the anticipation for feedback and high expectations that aren't satiated?
    • (Some commentary on feeling like you don't deserve critique because you don't give it out.) :star: Don't forget the Lit Forum's monthly crit thread, and that you can post in the Thumbshare Forum! Easy ways to find people who say they want critique if you don't know anyone particular already.
    • Tense: I think specifically asking someone for critique implies that you really value it.
    • DailyBreadCafe: The only time I really feel annoyed about a very short comment is when it's supposed to be an exchange and I write a mac off detailed critique sandwich and then I get "I like this, there's nothing I'd change" in return... because I always think that's not true, they're just being nice! :star: Don't be afraid to ask that people return a critique, maybe by note if you're shy.
    • BeccaJS: Also I often think people think critique giving has to be a 4000 word essay, when sometimes a few pointers can go just as long.
    • (Discussion of theWrittenRevolution's successful practice of requiring members to submit a critique when they send a deviation to the group gallery. Also, questions for critiquers to respond to specfiically.)
  • BrokenTales: This might sound arrogant (it probably is), but I do feel that journal/group features get thrown around like candy with doing much good. A little exposure, maybe a comment from an onlooker (maybe), but other than that nothing of benefit for the author. I would like to see more features that have at least some feedback for the author attached. Can we encourage this?
    • BrokenTales: Well, if we agree that it should be this way, we could lead by example. Perhaps if someone asks for advice on a contest, or feature lists, or just generally chatting, we can try and encourage a little description when they feature things.
    • PinkyMcCoversong: I wonder if the scheduling thing will help this. :star: Hey, beta testers! Try scheduling your posts!
    • Tense: As for the features thing, I think if your features were thoughtful and regular, people would keep coming back to see what you were sharing. The trick really is for individuals to make their profiles somewhere worth visiting and exploring writing from, as opposed to just hoping everyone will improve their features, which is just not realistic.
    • BeccaJS: I discussed with someone in the journal about people making better use of their journals and artists comments to sell their pieces to the reader.

Discussion Questions

  • Do you think the topics covered are things we can or need to change?
  • What do you think you can do as an individual to improve the community?
  • Is there a topic NOT discussed here you feel needs addressing?


Someone asked what members are supposed to do with #CRLiterature, and I finally thought of a way to put it: some groups are places to feature art; this is a place to feature opportunities.

Results of the Literature community chat we held on Sunday. Please use this as a place to further discussion, especially if we didn't have time during the chat. :)

Tina Fey GIFs from here.

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intricately-ordinary Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:star: in response to your questions :star:

I really enjoyed reading other people's concerns and tips. I tend to be a little absent-minded when it comes to the big picture and imagining things outside of my own vantage point so this put a lot into perspective.

There was a lot of talk both about critique and deviants' responses to it. I would say, just as a rule of thumb, even if you think you can offer critique kindly as in the case of young authors who may have no idea what they're doing, don't offer unless they have asked for some form of feedback. It is often negatively received or it can sometimes crush the recipient who isn't used to any critique at all.
If you would still like to help them, I do have personal experience that worked for me! Starting on this site, I was just awful as a writer, to put it bluntly. The most wonderful =deinktvis took me under his wing and did a few collabs with me, as well as offering advice. Not only that, but he helped me get more exposure to literature groups. So, my advice is to talk to people. Be friendly. Offer only what they are willing to receive.

If you are looking for critique, just keep your eyes open. Plenty of groups and individual deviants offer critiques. And, if all else fails, go out and critique others yourself. It helps you become a part of the community.

As an individual, I am going to try to
:bulletblue: create more features
:bulletblue: get back on track as an admin for groups
:bulletblue: continue looking out for new writers who are struggling
:bulletblue: suggest more DDs/ DLDs

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neurotype Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Woo :dance: Glad to hear it!

Yeah, seriously, ask first is the best. I also will just leave a relatively vague statement to start with that they can then follow up on if they want to.

Indeed!
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TheBrassGlass Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Professional General Artist
Really sorry I had to bail out early! Looks like you all had a productive time. :)
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, if you have any followup thoughts please leave them here :D I know we didn't hit everything you had in mind.
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xlntwtch Featured By Owner May 26, 2013   Writer
I enter any contest and event (though I can't do chats because of my pitiful computer) that sounds interesting. #ScreamPrompts has provided me with plenty of challenges, and two of them got a DD.

I never think the work I put here is "professional" (I do that offline) or "great" but I'm often surprised to find out I won a contest or two. Once that's done, I try to read every other piece that was up for that particular contest.

I also read those features and contests put up by writers I 'watch' so I keep busy with "not that great" but surprisingly passable prose for those.

"Read, read, read" is a good thing to do. Lit crit is a good thing to do for any writer you have on a devwatch, any who ask for it. Even if it's poetry- (and I'm strictly a prose writer, though I dabble in so-called poetry) -yet I write lit crit for it because it teaches me to look more closely at how poetry works or doesn't work for a prose writer.

I also volunteer to judge prose contests because it's a fantastic experience to read all the pieces entered and compare them to one another. Read, read, read. ^^
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
SP is amazing for pushing people to their limits :nod:

Hear, hear!
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EclecticQuill Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Student Writer
The article looks good, you've covered some points I missed during the chat.
After reading some of the feedback on the article though, I do have a question, will this topic become a regular point of discussion, or will it only be revisited as and when the community and/or CR team feels it's necessary?
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Good question, and one we'll have to take to the backroom!

Planning this kind of thing ironically cuts time for acting on the suggestions, so yeah probably not that often. :B
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EclecticQuill Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Student Writer
I see, I figured that would be the case.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. :P Do you think it needs to be on a schedule?
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EclecticQuill Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Student Writer
Yes and no. On the one hand it would be good to regular opportunity to discuss community issues; but on the other, you don't really want to turn it into a committee endlessly debating the same issues.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha, yeah. Also talking about acting easily becomes counterproductive.
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EclecticQuill Featured By Owner May 26, 2013  Student Writer
:nod: The talk requires appropriate action in order to be productive, it's easy to become mired in the talk and forget to act on it.
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I see the point in critiques and their constructive nature but when someone didn't ask for it it usually comes across as a rude gesture, a real turnoff. Our styles aren't the same (thankfully) so aside from grammar correction, the "you should have written it THIS way" is pretty much a snobbish waste of time. I'm just sayin.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Telling someone they should change their style fundamentally is generally bad critique (and tends to come from people who aren't experienced, so the ones who have the least reason to be snobby). Would a guide to better critique help?
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Meh, I dunno, I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask. I don't like giving or receiving them myself, I usually try to explain the difference of "your" and "you're" here on dA, as that seems to be quite an epidemic.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hm.

If you don't like critique, do you comment in other ways?
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Naahh, aside from the obvious grammar previously stated, as that can be quite the killer. Most of the time I wonder if the writer really cares in the first place, since most of this is 5th grade stuff. I'm just sorta random when I'm like oh by the way, "you're = you are." I don't hang around and write up a full report or anything, I don't want to irritate the writer. And hey, they may not really care anyway. No one's perfect, I'm just sayin.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Word.
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sneha07 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
absolutely! ~LeCanardTriste is right. people just don't look over literature just because of its look. They feel like no that literature thingy must be sort of boring but seeing pictures is a much easier task to do for the eyes. The visual impact of literature must be improved on deviantart and then maybe something would help.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
How can authors change that? :)
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LeCanardTriste Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad you agree. It's ironic given that this is a site filled with designers...
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sneha07 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
yes. of course
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LeCanardTriste Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think literature can be a turn off on this site because of how it's presented. Users/contributers are more accustomed to visual value in images or paintings or whatver, and it requires so little time and effort to glance over work. What I'm trying to say is that this website is fundamentally (to me) a gallery, and not a library. Perhaps having a tactile like experience that one would affiliate with visiting a library (such as books on a shelf, book covers, a page flick animation as seen on e-readers) could remedy this.

Then again I've only been a member for a month. Perhaps I'm missing something.

I do approve of the opportunities put forward, especially the publishing and critiquing. Great ideas, and quite exciting too. I have a degree in creative writing and such notions would actually tempt me to help others looking for constructive criticism on their work.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Motion Books (not released yet) may solve that, but how can community members make a more exciting experience? :)

To be honest I think it's largely the fact that people are coming here mostly to post their own art and view visual art. The latter isn't going to change, but as far as the former goes, things would be quite different if everyone who posts lit commented at least one piece a day.

Ooh, awesome. Any really useful tricks you learn that you don't see people do online?
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LeCanardTriste Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Could community members not have some part in designing the graphics? I'm sure there's someone involved in web development who'd be iterested.

I see. Perhaps then, in order for someone to post a critiquable piece, they must first offer critique to some one else. You could have like a points system - gain one point for a good critique and lose one for putting your own work up?

Tricks? Read good writers. Then read a lot more good writers.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not sure that's legally an option. They held a design contest way back when and ended up being unable to use the results for legal reasons, so V: (But I would watch #MotionBookTool and try to get in on the beta so you can leave feedback!)

That would be neat (getting away from the 'points' connotation with dA money, damnit :points:), although I don't think it could be enforced outside of groups. I would love to see a group around that (although #theWrittenRevolution does require people to post a critique before submitting to their gallery and it's working well).

Ha, seriously.
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sneha07 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
you're actually right!
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TehAngelsCry Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
One of the reasons I tend to stay away from literature contests or events, is because I know I won't do well. I wouldn't say I'm a terrible writer, I consider myself good, but I'm not great. Perhaps it's worth exploring the idea of different levels of contests, so beginner, intermediate, and advanced, to make sure everyone has a chance.
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BeccaJS Featured By Owner May 26, 2013   Writer
I always find that you can never pick a winner before a contest begins. If you don't win, consider it an awesome prompt and placing as a bonus :D
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I would consider tiered contests if participation were high, but how many pieces per level do you think would be enough?

There's supposed to be intrinsic value in trying a contest and you do tend to get more hits on your piece, but yeah I've been in the 'ooh man X entered so why bother' position. I do entries when I like the prompt anyway, though. :B
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Just keep trying, don't give up. You'll improve and before you know it, you'll be placing in those contests.
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TehAngelsCry Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Oh I don't give up x) I still enter when I can - it's just something I thought I should share so others might consider it :)
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ChristalKitto Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
As someone who haven't been writing long I do see how hard it is to get expert advice on my writing. I loved even when I didn't win at the minimalist contest I was given a comment on what was good and what was not so good. It will help me in the future. Most contest have critiques given to the winners and yes they can use them to improve. But I was wonder if more contest or at least the ones sponcered by this group could give some of those critiques to those that almost won so they too can know why theirs wasn't chosen. This would help them to improve. Knowing what a person is doing that can improve would also teach them what to look for when they do a critique. I for one don't feel comfortable giving critique since I have much to learn.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I'm currently 100000 months behind on critique from the contest I did. It is really hard to make the time as new events come up; there's this sense of moving on once it's over, which isn't completely true. So I can't ask anyone else to commit to it, but it's a good point.

You can share your honest impressions of a piece with people, though. It is important to know whether a work succeeded in conveying whatever impression the person was going for, even before you get to the technical stuff. :)
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sulabyrd Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
I appreciate you uploading this. It's motivated (and guilted) me into becoming a more active, feedback-giving member of the literature community. It's guilted me because I often find myself faving and featuring deviations without giving any feedback. I think giving feedback is something I've been avoiding because I've always viewed it as tedious, but after volunteering to give a few critiques for the winner of #OfSweetSerendipity's recent contest—[link]—I've discovered that it's much easier than I once believed. I've also applied for #Live-Love-Write's Synergy program—[link]—which is meant to pair up similar writers that will critique one another and collaborate. I've also critiqued various deviations just because I have nothing else to do. I'm proud to say that I'm becoming more active. It feels good to receive replies from thankful deviations who are actually willing to improve their writing based on the critiques they receive, rather than just brush them aside and give a simple "thank you." It makes me feel like I'm making a difference.

I've also been trying to encourage writers to grow and branch out through the group that I started a group a couple months ago, #TheMarmaladeTree. Every two weeks, I upload ten prompts (four quotations, three photographs, and three songs). The group is also hosting its first contest this month: [link]. I'll be sure to share this journal entry to the group's members and make some positive changes based on it.

Again, thank you for uploading this. You're making a huge difference by doing this.
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Euxiom Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
SOMEBODY LIKES TINA FEY....

I should remember to look at your stuff more I might find more gifs to use. +w+

An interesting discussion, best of luck with turning it into STUFF.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
GIRL CRUSH FTW.

Ha, I have so many sources. I mean, they're all shit I'm into, but...:shifty:

Thanks!
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Xionti Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is actually useful to me, I had no idea this group existed and since I'm a new writer, though I need to finish uploading a part of my only piece currently, I'm going to watch this group to help me improve.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool! :highfive:
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BobMcEggy Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
tl;dr
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Skimming is a process of speed reading that involves visually searching the sentences of a page for clues to meaning. For some people, this comes naturally, and usually may be acquired by practice. Skimming is usually seen more in adults than in children. It is conducted at a higher rate (700 words per minute and above) than normal reading for comprehension (around 200-230 wpm), and results in lower comprehension rates, especially with information-rich reading material. Another form of skimming is commonly employed by readers on the Internet. This involves skipping over text that is less interesting or less relevant. This form of reading is not new but has become increasingly prevalent due to the ease with which alternative information can be accessed online. Some of the sentences have minor information that might not be required.
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Vigilo Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Student Writer
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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BobMcEggy Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
'Touche
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Alp Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've been here for a while, and although I've know about literature deviations since I made my account, I've only ever really noticed them in the DD's section this year. It used to be very rare but now it's frequent and I think that's a really good step forward.
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neurotype Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm always confused when people say they're rare because we've had 4 GMs in that past and they guaranteed daily features :B The system used to be one a day to focus attention on that piece, do you by any chance mean that?
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
I can't speak for ~Alp, but that's what I mean when I talk about the way things used to be.
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