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Trust me, I'm published

Journal Entry: Thu Sep 26, 2013, 8:50 PM
With all the absolutely solid stuff floating around about avoiding scams, I wanted to take a look at when you can and can't trust what someone is saying.

Before I get into that, here are the journals I have in mind:

A Note on Publishing Scams +UpdateSome People's Kids
Warning: This is pretty tl;dr. Feel free to skip to the second section. Spread the word, because this community needs a little common sense sometimes.
Today there was a suspect-at-best post in the literature forums where someone who claims to have published nine anthologies and fifteen issues of a lit-mag was seeking submissions for a new anthology based around a short story that was, in his opinion, being rejected by other magazines because he's too "edgy" in his writing style (read: it was shitty so he had to self-publish it to have it read).
The poster was extremely homophobic, making comments about male-on-male anal sex and lesbians having cunnilingus, right in the body of his submission calls, and prattled on about how his publishing credits included the software program Open Office. I was pretty immediately off-put, so did some minor googling and found his "press", a lulu.com page, which was off-putting to begin with; he claimed it was a token-paying press, bot
Publishing Resources ListMake sure you :+fav: the news article!
So you've written something freaking awesome. You've edited a million times (and if you haven't, turn around and go do that. Right now). You think you maybe want to take the leap and try publishing something. But you have no idea where to start.
Well, this is a good place to be.
This the journal where I'll be keeping a running list of all the publishing resources I find, both on and off dA. Most of it will probably be related to literary journals, since that's the stage where I'm at in my literary career, but I'll add things about book publishing as I find them.
If you ever find a great resource, or if you'd like to request something specific, please leave me a note in the comments.
Also this journal is probably going to be super-messy and slightly badly-categorized for the first few weeks, so if anything looks out of place and/or you can think of a better way for me to organize this, please


All these guys have a good chunk of real-world publishing experience. Specifically, SadisticIceCream and DorianHarper have or are currently working directly with well-established publishers, and I'm pretty sure tiganusi would voodoo death me if I made shit up so you'll have to ask him what he's done.

(PinkyMcCoversong has a ton of resources and industry experience, and vglory is a local deity at Absolute Write, plus an expert in the world of erotica. Beccalicious does scripty things, LiamSharp posted a great article on getting into the comics industry, and if I think of others, I'll add 'em. There are a lot of people here who aren't necessarily industry experts, but who are smart writers. That list is too long for here.)

But here's the thing—it's just as possible to end up with someone who says they're totally legit, and provides a nice long list of authors (or publishers) they've worked with. So how do you protect yourself when someone sounds pretty good, they've got smart-sounding legal documentation for you to sign (which is a tricky one; even reputable places may have clauses in them that are a bit scary), and they have worked with people before?



Research research research research research. I can't stress this enough. Try Predators and Editors (okay fine TarienCole it's spelled Preditors and Editors), try the AbsoluteWrite Water Cooler; these places are well moderated. The top few Google results might be misleading, so look for the tone of the first 2-3 pages of search results.
Look at their Internet presence. It's not hard to get 100+ Twitter followers if you follow bots that automatically follow back. It is, however, hard to have a conversation with them...do they ever reply to people or is it all a steady stream of 'I made X today'?
Professionalism. Before I start quoting von Clausewitz at you, let's make this easy. Look at someone super reputable, a big publishing company or a famous author. Now look back at the guy you're talking to. Regardless of publicity, do they maintain a similar sense of decorum?
Connections. Zero prior experience does not make someone a desirable alternative to the mainstream (which, by the way, isn't all that main when there's hundreds of small presses out there; beware of someone selling themselves on 'no one else will give you X'), it makes them a wanker who doesn't know what the fuck they're on about. If every single person they're printing is a young teenager who lists de facto prizes as awards on their CV, then this publisher is, deliberately or because they can't get anyone more reputable, targeting the uninformed. If an author is only getting into shitty magazines, either they don't care or they can't make it, for a variety of reasons that are all variously bad.
No such thing as a free lunch. Let's be realistic, there are over a million writers on dA. If someone comes up to you and is like 'hey wanna be in my mag,' they're just not super-huge. This isn't always bad, but you need to be realistic about what it means. Mostly, it's not going to be your big break, and down the line you may not want to ever admit you had that piece printed there.

I think these five points are an easy place to start, not to mention the excellent blogs at the top, and if you'd like to add more, do so in the comments. (Warning: if your statements don't tally with my experience, I will say so. I don't hide comments. No take-backs.)



In short, be vigilant. You haven't fallen for 'em...yet.



Please favorite, comment, and redistribute as appropriate. We need to know whether stuff like this is useful.

literaticat.blogspot.com/2013/… - also this. Jennifer Laughran is a fountain of wisdom.

There are two things that get super under my skin on this site, in relation to the topic:
- people who are shitty writers posting advice about writing as if they are the second coming of Shakespeare
- scam publishers who hide comments gently rebuking their utter and complete lack of research

Of course, the question is why you should trust me, and I don't have a great answer there. I've got some modest creds (a super cool one just came in the mail YEAH WIN WOO) and I can't share them here because this is not my professional face.

Anyway, the skin is by $Ikue and the GIFs are from I Say Fever by Ramona Falls, which I am unbearably addicted to at the moment, and which is also strangely apropos.
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Vontage116 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   General Artist
how do you get published?
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
By submitting work to publishers (or, for books, usually an agent).
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Vontage116 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   General Artist
do you know a good one? I want to publish the story I'm working on when it's done but don't know anyone
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Duotrope.com and newpages.com both have lots of listings. But it's not just about finding a 'good' publisher, it's about your work being the right fit for them, so make sure to do your research!
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Vontage116 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   General Artist
ja danke ^^ I appreciate it
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Good luck!
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Vontage116 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   General Artist
danke by the way what book did you get published I would love to read it ^^
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
No books, just short stories for now ^^;
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LucidKitsune Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013   Traditional Artist
Very useful, I am going to save this for later :3 Thank you!
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neurotype Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sure :D
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