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Reprobates Debate: Prosetry

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:51 PM

Exactly what it sounds like

—okay, not really. Most of you have lovely consciences and kiss your mothers every night before bed, I'm sure!

But the rest of us are gonna have some fun in the meantime.

No quotes necessary. Just debate.

My background isn't in literature at all, but being a hardheaded, opinionated bundle of joy, I get off to this kind of thing. I'm inviting all of you to chime in on an issue that surely has no right answer, regardless of whether or not you've studied it or experienced it or whatever. It's the Internet, dude.




So what the hell is prosetry, anyway? Actually, that's exactly what we're here to debate. While Wikipedia has an article on prose poetry, it's got nothing for either 'prosetry' or 'proem.'

And because something as simple as asking you all whether or not you think 'prose poetry' is Option 3 to prose and poetry would be boring (yes/no questions? Ugh, never!) I also demand to know who gets to define it. Is it the author? The critics? A select group—an Academy—whose role it is to preserve the sanctity of the French language stylistic and genre classifications in creative writing? How about the people who make magazines, or the people who keep these things running through small donations or give those lovely endowments to their alma mater?

Should 'prose poetry' exist as a separate category? Regardless of your answer to the first part, who should be making the official decision? (And what exactly would an official decision be, anyway?)

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Ad hominem arguments automatically get a :icondickkickplz:. Look, I don't care what the fuck you were thinking. It's not cool and it's not productive. The point of me doing this in a journal is to create a safer space for those of you who are intimidated by the forums or don't generally feel comfortable supporting an argument on logic alone when everyone else is going around citing their sources (like a boss).

That said, you can be as Wikipediatastic as you like. Dude, citing sources is awesome. I'm making this very informal so it's not necessary, but if you've got books or stories or poems to reference, by all means do so! Even better if you can link to a place they're available online, for those of us who spend all day staring at a computer as our brains slowly seep out, but whatever. I'll make that library trip if I have to. Also, don't link to your own work. No, non, nope.

Last rule: by posting here, you are inviting anyone to challenge your views. If you have a serious problem making conversations like a grownup when someone doesn't agree with you, this is not the place for you. See above, re: ad hominem dick kicks. I can and I will. But please don't be afraid to be the minority opinion! I'm planning to Devil's Advocate everything—to the point where I refuse to reveal what side I fall on until pressed on it—so you've got at least one supporter. Maybe.

I'll argue with you, too. :eager:



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You deserve a break from tightening up your entry for the Alternate Universe contest, so here, break your brain over some totally pointless stuff :dummy:

And yes, I made some updates to the THE RULES so read them again.

What is prosetry, should it have its own category, and who should make that decision? Define your terms, get your sparring gear on, and let's go!

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~Pencil-Wolf Feb 7, 2013  Student General Artist
I certainly think that prosetry is a real thing, and my personal definition of prosetry is such:

It has the paragraph structure of prose, and the story-telling or essay-like approach like prose, but reads like poetry, and has certain elements of poetry that prose generally does not have (such as a definite rhythm, rhyme, patterns, repetition, and some stanzas).

It is definitely arguable, in this case, what is prose, what is poetry, and what is prosetry? What rules would be set in place to distinguish prosetry from poetry and prose? Well, I believe that is the beauty of it. There wouldn't have to be any rules to prosetry. It could almost become a sort of stream-of-consciousness, without having to stop and recognize grammar and basic sentence structure. It, I believe, could become more raw than either poetry or prose.
When it comes to distinguishing them apart from one another, all that really matters is the author's final word and what they call it. Besides which, if it's in a paragraph format (with perhaps some stanzas), it should be relatively easy to interpret by the reader. For instance, I call this fabulous work [link] by ~towards-eternity prosetry, and instantly recognizable as such because of the loose sentence structure, lack of capitalization, paragraph format and poetic way of writing. Where as this piece [link] by the same author is poetry, because of the stanzas. Basically for me, the real indicator is format.
Truly all this, though, is my personal opinion and how I define prosetry. I've really got no sources to back it up.

Though prosetry isn't a legitimate term yet, I do believe it has the potential to become one, simply because prosetry is really a specific type of poetry format, like concrete poetry, and other fixed forms. Though others may be skeptical about it, to me, it's a real thing.
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~Actsofart Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I basically agree with this.
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~Pencil-Wolf Feb 24, 2013  Student General Artist
^^
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^neurotype Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hm, have you read stuff like Faulkner or Joyce? "Stream of consciousness" is a well-established literary prose style (although it sounds like what you're really talking about is "free writing" which is more of its own thing).

Here's the question though, what stops that from simply being poetry that has abandoned the use of linebreaks? And what about novels that use a ton of poetic language? (By the way, 'Requiem for a Dream' drops most punctuation - however I would definitely call it prose because it's extremely narrative oriented.)

So is this really something that can be defined as a whole separate genre, or is it something that has to be done on a case-by-case basis?
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~Pencil-Wolf Feb 24, 2013  Student General Artist
No, I haven't read Faulkner or Joyce but I would have to agree that "free writing" seems like a much better fitting term. I'm not exactly a literary expert. ^^;

I think that it can be most classified by a sort of sub genre. It is, in my opinion, prevalent enough to be worthy of a sub genre instead of a case-by-case basis, but not prevalent enough to be considered it's own separate genre. Also, good point on the novel side. In that case, I believe a lot of it could depend simply on the writer's style, rather than format (what I tend to indicate by). As I said in my original comment, I would think that the actual classifying is up to the author, and what they decide, or to the audience, if the author's one of those who like to leave it for them to interpret.

(Sorry for the incredibly late reply! ><; )
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^neurotype Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:)

Hm, but subgenre to what major category?

No worries!
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~Pencil-Wolf Feb 27, 2013  Student General Artist
I think it should be under poetry, but that's because I see it as a more poetic form. It could be argued either way, though.
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^neurotype Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, it's confusing. :O
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~Pencil-Wolf Feb 27, 2013  Student General Artist
XD Certainly that, if nothing else.
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*xlntwtch Feb 7, 2013   Writer
Hell, there's a writer here who also labels work "Phoetry" - a combo of a photo and poetry.

Back to prosetry (and late, as usual) one of the first pieces I wrote here I wanted to put in a prosetry category because there was a lot of rockin' rhthym and rhyme in it, not even intended, but there. I couldn't because there isn't any such choice.

I know a few clubs groups who have a "Prosetry" category in drop-down menus, but it's still not available on dA.

If groups have a category for it, why not the whole lit site?
Are we really gonna stick to Wiki, that great encyclopedia in the sky, to which many can add an educated entry any time? Or a dictionary? How about the Urban Dictionary, also open to many?

We're writers. We make shit up. Why not "Phoetry" and especially "Prosetry" as well, "devil's advocate"?
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